[Vimoutliner] VO Junior

[Lucas González]

Hi Steve,

Encouragement == LOTS.  I might even offer to beta-test it at some point,
depending on time availability, but yes, willing to.

While you're at it, I don't know if it would be possible to have
"2-generations view": the user would move around the outline with 4 arrows,
and (say we start seeing levels 3 and 4) right arrow refreshes view with
levels 4 and 5, while left arrow puts us at levels 2 and 3.

I had some C code for that, extremely old and clunky, attempting to use
ncurses so I would be able to use it in, ahem, MS-DOS after compiling with,
shall I remember, djcpp (or something).  I can dig up that code ... My dream
is outlined here: http://almacen.gulic.org/01_www/copensar/sole.html hah!
Code and all!

Lucas

2008/6/7 Steve Litt <slitt at troubleshooters.com>:

> Hi all,
>
> I need my wife (Sylvia) and kids to use VO. Sylvia just used VO today (of
> her
> own request, after she saw me making a task list with it). She actually
> used
> it right to create subtasks under tasks.
>
> But when she asked how to use it, I just put it in insert mode and told her
> to
> use the arrow keys. Only a person knowing Vim or a very motivated person
> can
> be taught VO.
>
> So I'm going to make VO Junior. It will work with VO native files -- it
> will
> be file compatible with the current VO. It will run on Linux and BSD, and
> via
> Cygwin or MinGW on Windows. At least at first, it will probably be a CLI
> app
> for simplicty, unless I can find a robust, memory-respecting tool like a tk
> interface or whatever (or maybe a Java app???).
>
> Hopefully it will have the same ,, commands as its big brother, but will
> not
> be a modal editor. The editor portion will be Nodepad like, using the arrow
> keys, pgup and pgdown, home and end, del and backspace. Selection will be
> implemented pretty much like it is in Nodepad. The result will be an app
> intuitive enough for the average computer user. Therefore my wife and kids
> can start computer outlining, which I consider to be a major step forward.
>
> INTERNALS
>
> The whole app will be built around a "get next character" loop, which will
> deliver characters, including things like up, down, left, right, pgup, etc
> as
> integers. What's done with those characters will probably be dictated by
> callback routines (I'll probably write it in C). Early on, I'll make some
> sort of substitute for the "get next character" so everything else can be
> tested.  Obviously I'll unit test everything and make sure with Valgrind
> that
> there are no memory leaks, buffer overruns, double frees or usage of
> uninitialized variables.
>
> I'll need limited help from some of you:
>
> * Get next character routine capable of reading arrow keys, pageup etc. I
> think I've already done that before, but might need some help.
>
> * Help with understanding how to move around the screen
>
> * Help with level coloration
>
> * Help with tools such as C/tk (does it exist?)
>
> * Encouragement
>
> This will probably benefit a lot of us. Many of us have wives, children,
> brothers, sisters, parents and grandparents who could benefit from an
> outliner, but aren't going to learn Vim keystrokes. VO Junior will allow us
> to bring them into our world, and hopefully give them the motivation to
> learn
> the (much faster) Vim keystrokes so as to begin using the real thing.
>
> I'd like all sorts of comments, suggestions, warnings, and everything else
> needed to decide how to proceed. I'll probably discuss it for a couple
> weeks
> before coding line 1.
>
> Thanks
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
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