[Vimoutliner] Obvious but don't get it: how do I move outline at N+1 to N

[Noel Henson]

On Sunday 03 September 2006 11:20, you wrote:
> Noel,
>
> On 03/09/06, Noel Henson <noel at noels-lab.com> wrote:
> > I need to know how hoisting messed up your files. I'd like to fix it.
> > I use hoisting and haven't seen any problems.
> >
> > Noel
> >
> > On Sunday 03 September 2006 08:11, Steve Litt wrote:
> > > On Sunday 03 September 2006 09:47 am, Peter Princz wrote:
> > > > I'm still afraid of the hoisting feature of vimoutliner, as it
> > > > corrupted/messed up my file once.
> > >
> > > Ditto.
> > >
> > > > So I have a "hoisting/indent manipulation sandbox" within my
> > > > outline file
> > >
> > > I just don't use hoisting. ,,1 and then drilling down gives you
> > > pretty much the same thing, and is safe. Yeah, drilling down is
> > > nice, but not essential.
> > >
> > > Also, it's always possible that the need to hoist possibly implies a
> > > need to create a suboutline and use interoutline linking.
> > >
> > > SteveT
>
> take it easy, it isn't that serious. Here is a use-case realisation I
> just reproduced. As you'll see, in most of the inconveniences hoisting
> per se cannot be blamed.
>
> 0. As I wrote earlier in several posts, I maintain a one-and-only,
> huge outline file, that for the moment contains even it's own archive.
>
> :o
>
> I wanted to see at which point in time it grows to an unmanageable
> size. Now it  has: 17999 lines, 88882 words, 730822 bytes.
> It is password-protected, opening it takes almost one minute on my
> computer, while processor is 100% busy, so I can't do anything but
> drink my morning coffee while it opens. :)
> (One of the outstanding tasks is to figure out how to archive it, so
> to downsize it sometime the end of this year to approx. 300 kBytes, or
> get a faster computer.)
>
> 1. I do hoisting. The cursor is blinking on the status line, no
> indication it is waiting for a password. Took 30 minutes for the first
> time to realise it. :)
>
> 2. The newly created hoisting file has wrong file type (not vo_base,
> but outliner), wrong colorscheme, tabstop settings, foldcolumn, etc,
> all of this despite the .otl extension. So the first minute goes away
> to type password, and reshape the hoisted file to look like an .otl
> should look like. :(
>
> 3. Upon exiting back to the main file, again, no notification it asks
> for a password, just a blinking cursor. However, now it doesn't need
> any password to open my file, which I think is a security hole: my
> intention with hoisting would be to hide the surrounding of the item
> from curious eye, even to hand over the keyboard and let a contributor
> to work on the hoisted subtree. Az accidental :q wold bring him/her
> back to my outline file, which I do not like.
>
> 4. The encryption of this huge file is again lot of time. Not an issue
> once in the morning, but I can't have a cup of coffee after each
> hoisting. :)
>
> 5. By accident, my outline file is placed on my Windows desktop at the
> moment, (which will be changed soon), but still, the desktop gets
> cluttered with icons of the log files, which I have to delete
> manually. Again, a little extra overhead.
>
> 6. I can't see and track the changes made in the hoisting session in
>
> :changes. One single :undo is rolling back the whole hoisting session,
>
> which could be a good idea, however, it modifies the hoisting point
> with its fingerprint that has to removed manually again. (e.g.
> __hoist:vo_hoist.14789.20060903200225.otl)
>
> So, because of all of these inconveniences, I yank/move the desired
> leaf into the aforementioned hoisting/indent manipulation area at the
> tail of the file, and do the wizardry there. Or simply write out part
> of the file into an external and unencrypted one if I want to hand
> over a leaf to a contributor.
>
> Well, as I wrote above, most of these issues don't point to any
> implementation error in hoisting. It's just more convenient for me not
> to use this particular feature of vimoutliner, and fall back to
> traditional vim features instead.
> Right now I'm in the process of changing my job, so I'll get a new,
> perhaps faster computer (maybe not even with Windows), will redesign
> the folder structure around The Outline File, so most of the problems
> I expect to vanish in two weeks.
>
> Have a nice day,
>   Peter

Peter,

What is your hoistParanoia flag set to? If you set it to 0, you shouldn't 
have a problem with needing to delete you files.

Also, you can edit the function MakeTempFilename in vo_hoist.vim from this:
return "vo_hoist.".a:line.strftime(".%Y%m%d%H%M%S").".otl"
to this:
return "\TEMP\vo_hoist.".a:line.strftime(".%Y%m%d%H%M%S").".otl"

and give that a try.

Let me know how it works for you.

Noel


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